Seems like muchado about nothing to try to get people to turn off updating.

MarkSplittorff


June 26, 2009 5:34pm


If I don’t want to install updates at shutdown, I don’t. The option is on the start manu to shutdown without updates.
Seems like muchado about nothing to try to get people to turn off updating.


Is Windows Installing Updates without Permission? – News and Analysis by PC Magazine:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2349385,00.asp
Is Windows Installing Updates Without Permission? – Security Watch:
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2009/06/is_windows_installing_updates.php#more
Windows may install updates without asking:
http://windowssecrets.com/2009/06/25/01-Windows-may-install-updates-without-asking


Do me a favor, go to your start menu, type in windowsupdate.log in the search box and open up that log file in notepad.  Click on edit, then on find and type in the word regulated and see if you see hits of that word in your update log.


If you are not behind WSUS and just straight out to Microsoft update you will will probably see patches being “regulated”.


2009-06-21 20:59:39:434  996 7bc DnldMgr Regulation: {7971F918-A847-4430-9279-4A52D1EFE18D} – Update 5DB4E73B-F330-46EA-8B71-364BA2D71954 is “PerUpdate” regulated and can NOT download. Sequence 6832 vs AcceptRate 4000.
2009-06-21 20:59:39:434  996 7bc DnldMgr   * Update is not allowed to download due to regulation.
2009-06-21 20:59:39:434  996 7bc DnldMgr Regulation: {7971F918-A847-4430-9279-4A52D1EFE18D} – Update 5DB4E73B-F330-46EA-8B71-364BA2D71954 is “PerUpdate” regulated and can NOT download. Sequence 6832 vs AcceptRate 4000.
2009-06-21 20:59:39:434  996 7bc DnldMgr ***********  DnldMgr: New download job [UpdateId = {3EDE0711-B939-4B44-AAF8-06385BED3E40}.100]  ***********
2009-06-21 20:59:39:434  996 7bc DnldMgr   * Queueing update for download handler request generation.


When this occurs, there is a *bug* in the system.  If you turn on “download but let me choose to install them” or “notify me but don’t download” or whatever the exact phrases are in XP and Vista, during a period of heavy patches, the yellow icon (or greenish thing in Vista) will not show up in the system tray telling you that patches are ready to be installed.  Then when the person goes to shut down the machine, because the patches are still being throttled and not all of the patches have gotten to the place where they are ALL ready to be installed, the yellow icon will not be in the system tray.  As a result they will not be on the lookout for the “Shut down and install patches” indicator on the shut down button. 

The problem is that without the visual yellow warning shield you are not aware that patches are ready to be installed.  So you click the shut down button as you normally do and don’t/aren’t aware enough that it’s also going to install patches.  I’ve seen this personally occur on my Acer TravelMate C110, I’ve also seen it occur on Yoda the blog server.  But the problem is that this only occurs during months of heavy patch regulation.


Updates are not downloaded or the “Automatic Updates” icon does not display the status of downloads when you enable the Automatic Updates service:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910340/en-us

Microsoft admits this can happen when the automatic updates service is enabled but it also occurs to the other selected patching categories.  The problem lies in the perfect storm of patch regulation, and (I think) slower machines.  The bug is that the icon is not showing up when it should be showing up to let people be aware that patches are ready to be installed.  The problem lies in the fact that this issue cannot be repro’d at will, and only occurs during times of heavy patch regulation when there’s a big patch month.


Changes are not being made to anyone’s system but there is still a bug in the system.

One Thought on “Seems like muchado about nothing to try to get people to turn off updating.

  1. Dean on July 2, 2009 at 3:31 pm said:

    Susan,

    You need to get in touch with your fellow Windows Secrets writers and explain this to them because they don’t seem to completely understand the problem. They are telling people that the “bug” is that ‘Install Updates and then Shutdown’ is showing up at all NOT that the “bug” is really that the yellow system tray icon does not show up.

    They are also confusing a “throttled” NOT DOWNLOADED AT ALL patch with one that was in the process of being downloaded but was cut off in transit.

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